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'Planned Parenthood Aborts African Americans': New Mass Media Campaign

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African American babies are three times more likely to be aborted than white babies, according to data from the U.S. Center for Disease Control. Since Roe v. Wade in 1973, the black population in the U.S. has been reduced by over 25 percent.

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Lola-984242

First of all, any information that comes from "Lifesitenews.com" must be researched for it's accuracy. "Lifesitenews.com" along with other anti-choice groups spread misinformation continuously. Does anyone know of any other organization that prevents more abortions than Planned Parenthood?

A new mass media campaign is hoping to shed light on Planned Parenthood’s racist roots and continued targeting of black communities.

What a bunch of dog dung.

  • 13 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
bluearcher

Equating a beneficial social program to genocide is abhorrent and shows a complete disconnect with reality and an unsupportable bias.

  • 9 votes
#1.1 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
redsfan

This whole issue has more to do with poverty than race. Blacks are inordinately more likely to be extremely poor than whites and therefore cannot afford things that whites can afford...such as birth control, homes and all the other things babies require.

If anyone is really interested in reducing abortions among black women, they should try to reduce the extreme poverty in the black communities that is being ignored by our society.

According to the latest reports, 25.8% of black Americans live below the poverty line and 12.3% of white Americans live below the poverty line. Think about that....

Poverty in Black and White (and Latino and Asian)

  • 9 votes
#1.2 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:08 PM EDT
Auteur 1536

Planned Parenthood is accused of targeting black communities because 62-78% of their facilities are in minority neighbourhoods, depending on how the data is interpreted.

Paranoid much?

  • 7 votes
#1.3 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:56 PM EDT
eriq samson

This is the same as the statistics that show more blacks (per capita) are in Jail (1/3 of all black males will be in jail at some time in their life)

Does this mean they commit more crimes - per capita? NO, it means they are more likely to go to jail for the same crime, rather than some kind of probation / diversion than white criminals

The neocons take a statistic and ignore the reality behind it, replacing that with their perverted fantasies

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:29 AM EDT
Tina-293371

This is the biggest load of crap I have heard in a long time, and that's saying something!

  • 6 votes
#1.5 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:03 AM EDT
SW Missouri Mule

Planned Parenthood is in the minority communities for the same reason now as they have always been. People in nice areas don't need their services and don't want them trashing up the neighborhood. They also don't want their kids seen walking out of the clinic.

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 1:15 AM EDT
Moshe Marcou

So this seems to indicate crazy over sexed white people don't take out the trash as often.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 4:54 AM EDT
Lola-984242

eriq samson - "The neocons take a statistic and ignore the "reality" behind it, replacing that with their perverted fantasies"

That one word right there is the neocons problem.

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:01 PM EDT
Matti Viikate

Being poor is the one important reason, for those numbers to be how they are.

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
Lola-984242

Being poor is the one important reason, for those numbers to be how they are.

Exactly!

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
SW Missouri Mule

I said that wrong:

. People in nice areas don't need their services

People in nice areas don't need their reduced priced services. They don't want to be "seen" taking the trash out.

(sarc) Nice people don't need protection from unintended pregnancies or STIs. Nice people don't need abortions. They don't need that ugliness in their neighborhoods. Take it where it's needed. Take it to the minority neighborhoods where they have nothing to do but have sex all day and make more welfare babies. They are the ones spreading all the VD to good god fearing white people. (WTF?) I could go on but I getting sick on my own sarc.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 8:35 PM EDT
tom sevigny

Planned Parenthood prevents abortions?

Yeah sure and Obama saved millions of jobs too.. How risible.

  • 1 vote
#1.12 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:12 AM EDT
Lola-984242

Planned Parenthood prevents abortions?

Absolutely! Do some research it's quite simple to understand.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
SW Missouri Mule

Tom, are you aware of education and birth control? That is pregnancy prevention. If pregnancy is prevented or postponed until a time it is wanted, then abortion is prevented. Are you with me so far? No pregnant=no abort. Teaching methods of birth control and safe sex prevents pregnancy which prevents abortion. That is what PP does, teach and provide methods to prevent pregnancy. It ain't that hard.

The ultimate goal is to not get pregnant when you don't want to get pregnant. That's Planned Parenthood.

  • 1 vote
#1.14 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT
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Dreama

A new mass media campaign is hoping to shed light on Planned Parenthood’s racist roots and continued targeting of black communities.

I'm positive that no one is forcing abortions on black women. This is ridiculous! Women of every race have a chioce, as they should.

That race card is worn out, time to get a new one!

  • 10 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
Lola-984242

PPAbortsAA.org notes that this targeting of blacks was part of Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger's plan from the beginning. "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated," said the famed eugenicist and leader of the Negro Project, which was designed to curtail the black population.

What a stretch! George H. W. Bush and his son George W. Bush also had connections to Planned Parenthood. Does that mean they targeted the black community? In fact Prescott Sheldon Bush, President George H.W. Bush's father and President George W. Bush's grandfather, was involved with the American Birth Control League, that was founded by Margaret Sanger, as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947.

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Prescott_Bush

Interesting don't you think? If we make the connection that PPH has a racist agenda because of it founder Margaret Sanger, we can also make the connection that both Presidents Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. have a racist agenda.

That race card is worn out, time to get a new one!

Exactly!

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
Bubba-939441

Abortion is a billon dollar business. Planned parenthood makes money from abortions as well as from the taxpayer. They're going to locate clinics in neighborhoods where they can maximize profits. They don't make money if they counsel against abortions. They accept all donations and the donor can specify the race of the baby to be aborted.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=115000

  • 2 votes
#4 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:37 AM EDT
Lola-984242

3% of the income that Planned Parenthood takes in comes from abortion. Quit spreading the lies Bubba, it's getting old buddy.

They're going to locate clinics in neighborhoods where they can maximize profits.

Bull, they do not target the black community, they target low income communities that have a difficult time getting and paying for Birth Control, well woman exams, STD diagnosis and treatment, etc. Educate yourself before spouting your lies.

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:43 AM EDT
Bubba-939441

"Educate yourself before spouting your lies."

Lola, I am an uneducated man, but I've done my homework on this issue. Abortion is a very profitable business.

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_for_profit

http://www.lifenews.com/nat3822.html

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=115000

And they do accept donations for abortions for a specific race.

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
Vooda

Where do you get these bizarre and inaccurate "facts" Bubba? You obviously are very ignorant of the true facts and what Planned Parenthood is all about. Everyone of your statements is so false it's disgusting and the comment should be deleted but maybe it shouldn't so people can see how ignorant anti-choicers are....(like it isn't already known).

Do you know some P.P.'s don't even provide abortion services, just birth control and gynecological services? And did you know many ob/gyno offices provide abortion services that service most of your female community gyno needs?

And your obviously disgusting statement....

They accept all donations and the donor can specify the race of the baby to be aborted

is beyond ridiculous. You know what is so stupid about that statement? The pro-choice people are usually very educated, non-prejudice people so that makes zero sense!!!

  • 8 votes
#4.3 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:01 PM EDT
Lola-984242

Yes Bubba, you "educate" yourself with propaganda, misinformation, and lies. I get it, but I'm asking you to go beyond anti-choice websites, books, and advocates, look for the truth.

  • 7 votes
#4.4 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:03 PM EDT
Vooda

Your anti-choice propaganda is twisting your mind with twisted facts.

The truth be told abortion providers make a fraction of what their medical counterparts make plus they must live under the veil of terrorists threats and actions.

Open your mind to the truth.

  • 7 votes
#4.5 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

You didn't read the links. A planned parenthood employee accepted a donation to abort a black baby. It's a fact. If you think there is no money to be made from abortion, and that planned parenthood is in business to help young people with alternative solutions, you are sadly naive and mistaken.

"While Planned Parenthood made $972 milion in its 2005-2006 annual report, last fiscal year it brought in $1.017 billion."

Are you disputing their own financial statements?

http://www.lifenews.com/nat3822.html

  • 1 vote
#4.6 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:41 PM EDT
Lola-984242

Bubba-939441 - planned parenthood is in business to help young people with alternative solutions, you are sadly naive and mistaken.

Yes Planned Parenthood is in the business to help women find alternative solutions to an unplanned pregnancy, along with birth control, well woman services, STD diagnosis and treatment, etc. However you don't seem to acknowledge how many abortions Planned Parenthood prevents. Also anyone with half a brain would realize that all Planned Parenthood has to do to increase the amount of abortions they provide is to stop educating men and women on how to prevent pregnancy and stop providing low cost or free birth control.

Bubba look beyond anti-choice propaganda websites, books, and advocates, for the truth. You will not find the truth through anti-choice propaganda.

"While Planned Parenthood made $972 milion in its 2005-2006 annual report, last fiscal year it brought in $1.017 billion."

Are you disputing their own financial statements?

Was that $1.017 billion for abortion services alone? Or is this just BS propaganda from yourself?

Please stop posting anti-choice links, these links are not helping you justify your lies in the least.

  • 6 votes
#4.7 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT
Shannoscubie

Yes Planned Parenthood is in the business to help women find alternative solutions to an unplanned pregnancy, along with birth control, well woman services, STD diagnosis and treatment, etc.

And pre-pregnancy counseling, prenatal care, parenting classes and adoption referrals as well as general health services for both women AND men.

  • 6 votes
#4.8 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:04 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

Lola, all you have to do is look at the financial statements to see that abortion is indeed a highly profitable business. The statements, Income Statement and Balance Sheet are public information as the organization is funded with tax payer dollars. The public has every right to scrutinize and ask questions. Planned Parenthood did indeed accept a donation from a donor who specified the race of the baby to be aborted. How can you defend an organization that accepts donations to abort black babies. This tax payer funded organization, in my opinion is more evil than ACORN.

  • 1 vote
#4.9 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT
Lola-984242

Lola, all you have to do is look at the financial statements to see that abortion is indeed a highly profitable business.

You see Bubba-939441, I have looked at Planned Parenthood's financial statements and what I see is that abortion services is NOT a profitable business, unless of course you believe Planned Parenthood only provides abortion which is completely false.

The statements, Income Statement and Balance Sheet are public information as the organization is funded with tax payer dollars.

Not all of it, because my husband and I contribute quite a bit to Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-choice America. Oh BTW, our unjust wars and killing of innocent children and women, some of which are pregnant, are funded by taxpayer dollars too, so what's your point?

The public has every right to scrutinize and ask questions.

Who's saying they shouldn't?

Planned Parenthood did indeed accept a donation from a donor who specified the race of the baby to be aborted.

That's all you got Bubba? A one phone call to a PPH staff member who was clearly caught off guard and probably was shocked and had no idea how to handle the situation. Yeah let's run with that and call PPH racist because of it. What I call that is ignorance at it finest Bubba, and you're proudly carrying that ignorance torch for the anti-choice movement. You go boy!

How can you defend an organization that accepts donations to abort black babies.

Easily, I call it what it is, which is complete and utter BS, and I don't base my beliefs on one phone call the was clearly a set up.

Again you seem to avoid the fact that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than any other organization, it's quite telling.

  • 7 votes
#4.10 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:29 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"That's all you got Bubba?"

No, here is the testimony of a former Director of a Planned Parenthood branch. Is her testimony a set up too? Can't you and your husband find a better use for your hard earned cash?

"Abortion is the most lucrative part of Planned Parenthood's operations," she said. "Even though they're two separate corporations, all of the money goes into one pot. With the family planning corporation really suffering, they depend on the abortion corporation to balance their budget, help get them out of the hole and help make income for the company."

She continued, "They really wanted to increase the number of abortions so that they could increase their income."

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=115000

  • 1 vote
#4.11 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 1:53 PM EDT
Lola-984242

Bubba-939441 , Again you seem to avoid the fact that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than any other organization, and it's quite telling.

Can't you and your husband find a better use for your hard earned cash?

Why? We believe in birth control information available to everyone, the availability of low cost BC and free birth control. Also we believe in a women's right to choose. This is something we feel strongly about, why wouldn't we make donations to the organization that provides these services?

She continued, "They really wanted to increase the number of abortions so that they could increase their income."

That's most certainly what she thinks and believes, however there's a huge possibility it's a matter of perception, which is why I say if PPH wants to increase the amount of abortions they provide, all they have to do is quit teaching and providing birth control. It's extremely easy to figure out abortion services is not what PPH strives to increase.

  • 7 votes
#4.12 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT
bluearcher

Bubba shows a typical religious zeal for the age old agenda of religion...

Control of the vagina and womb!

  • 7 votes
#4.13 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:43 PM EDT
SW Missouri Mule

Bubba, that was proven to be a lie. She was mad that she got a bad job performance review so to get revenge on PP she joined the anti-abortion group 40 Days for Life.

Johnson was summoned to Houston to meet with her supervisors to discuss problems with her job performance. She was placed on what Planned Parenthood calls a “performance improvement plan.” It was just three days later, on Monday, that Johnson made her tearful appearance at the Coalition for Life. The following day she faxed Planned Parenthood a resignation letter, which mentioned nothing about a crisis of conscience.

Johnson also claimed that while most services at Planned Parenthood were provided by a nonprofit corporation, abortions were done by a for-profit corporation. Both she and Carney seemed to sincerely believe this was true, though all services at Planned Parenthood are, in fact, provided by a pair of separate nonprofit corporations.

Johnson has told the story of her journey from pro-choice activist to pro-life celebrity many times in many venues, and the crux of the tale is always the same: her moving description of what she saw on the ultrasound that September day in the Bryan clinic’s operating room ...

At my request, the staff at the Bryan clinic examined patient records from September 26, the day Johnson claims to have had her conversion experience, and spoke with the physician who performed abortions on that date. According to Planned Parenthood, there is no record of an ultrasound-guided abortion performed on September 26. The physician on duty told the organization that he did not use an ultrasound that day, nor did Johnson assist on any abortion procedure. “Planned Parenthood can assure you that no abortion patients underwent an ultrasound-guided abortion on September 26,”

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/individuals/abby-johnson

  • 7 votes
#4.14 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT
bluearcher

Not to mention that if men got pregnant, the legality of abortion would never be in question.

Just another of many hypocritical double standards concerning men and women.

  • 6 votes
#4.15 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:54 PM EDT
Lola-984242

Bubba, that was proven to be a lie. She was mad that she got a bad job performance review so to get revenge on PP she joined the anti-abortion group 40 Days for Life.

HA! I knew there had to be something more to it SWMM! LOL! Anti-choice advocates will believe any kind of BS as long as it tows the anti-choice line. Even when anti-choicer know a story is completely false or a stretch of the truth they'll spin and sell it to further their cause. Which is caring all about zygotes/embryos/fetuses until they are born, and then hell with them, their on their own. Unbelievable.!!!

  • 6 votes
#4.16 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:04 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"all of the money goes into one pot."

You pro-abortionists are blindly loyal to an organization who takes my tax money to perform abortions and takes donations from donors who specify that the baby to be aborted must be black. The poor lady got a bad performance review because her clinics weren't performing enough abortions and therfore not making money.

  • 1 vote
#4.17 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:11 PM EDT
Lola-984242

Bubba-939441 , Again you seem to avoid the fact that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than any other organization, and it's quite telling. If Planned Parenthood didn't exist the rate of abortions would be much higher.

"all of the money goes into one pot."

Where did you get that statement from?

The rest is pure unadulterated bull dung.

  • 6 votes
#4.18 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:16 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"Where did you get that statement from?"

That is a direct quote from a former director of planned parenthood clinics. You know, the one who got fired for not performing her quota of abortions.

  • 1 vote
#4.19 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:01 PM EDT
Shannoscubie

"all of the money goes into one pot."

If you know anything about accounting (like I do) you'd know that there is no way to allocate any donated funds to the abortion of any specific race. Even if that were possible, how would the PP personnel decide whether they were aborting a black baby? By the mother's race? If the mother is black and the father isn't, what do they do then? The father might be white or Asian or something else entirely. If that's the case, do they only allocate half the donation if he's white? What if he's half black and half white? Does the donation only get allocated to the appropriate portion of "blackness" for the abortion? What if the mother is white and the father is black? Half then? What if she doesn't know what race? Does PP allocate some pre-established percentage on a "just in case it's x% black" basis?

Crazy.

  • 7 votes
#4.20 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:08 PM EDT
Lola-984242

That is a direct quote from a former director of planned parenthood clinics. You know, the one who got fired for not performing her quota of abortions.

Another lie from Bubba-939441.

Bubba-939441 , Again you seem to avoid the fact that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than any other organization, and it's quite telling.

Crazy.

Absolutly!

  • 6 votes
#4.21 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
SW Missouri Mule

The father of the fetus can not be determined until birth.

Planned Parenthood is a not for profit organization and is vigilantly watched by anti-abortion. If there was any impropriety it would be in the real news and not WND

direct quote from the woman who lied. and it was ONE clinic in Bryan, TX

  • 6 votes
#4.22 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:59 PM EDT
Auteur 1536

You pro-abortionists are blindly loyal to an organization who takes my tax money to perform abortions and takes donations from donors who specify that the baby to be aborted must be black.

There's no such thing as being "pro-abortion."

  • 5 votes
#4.23 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:58 PM EDT
eriq samson

folks

Bubba is a well known troll. The only way to stop them is to not respond to their trolling

Do Not Feed The Trolls - DNFTT

  • 5 votes
#4.24 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:35 AM EDT
Reply
Shannoscubie

That's because black women have a disproportionately higher number of unintended pregnancies.

Do the math.

Stopping unintended pregnancies = stopping abortion.

  • 8 votes
Reply#5 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:21 PM EDT
bonos_rama

So?? You should be happy that they won't be on assistance. It's not like you want to help out after the babies are born. You hate taxes, remember??????!

  • 7 votes
#6 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 2:17 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

Perhaps our taxes would be lower if they didn't go to planned parenthood!

    #6.1 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:02 PM EDT
    Shannoscubie

    Perhaps our taxes would be lower if they didn't go to planned parenthood!

    Taxes that go to Planned Parenthood are prohibited by the Hyde Amendment from being used for abortion. Would you really rather un-fund the contraceptive services that PREVENT abortion?

    • 6 votes
    #6.2 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 4:17 PM EDT
    Lola-984242

    Bubba-939441 - Perhaps our taxes would be lower if they didn't go to planned parenthood!

    No, they wouldn't, however we wouldn't have the deficit we have now if George W. Bush and company didn't get us in the wars we're in. Oh BTW, Barbara and Laura Bush are pro-choice, and most likely Papa and Jr. too, they just towed the party line for votes. It's amazing how many lies you spread and believe Bubba.

    • 5 votes
    #6.3 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:04 PM EDT
    Bubba-939441

    "Taxes that go to Planned Parenthood are prohibited by the Hyde Amendment from being used for abortion."

    That is correct, but I'm afraid the money all goes into one pot. The federal government does not audit them or enforce Hyde. Perhaps independent auditors could do the public a better service.

      #6.4 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:09 PM EDT
      Lola-984242

      but I'm afraid the money all goes into one pot.

      Don't fear Bubba-939441, it doesn't. Again you seem to avoid the fact that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than any other organization. There would be so many more abortion if it wasn't for Planned Parenthood that prevents millions each year.

      • 7 votes
      #6.5 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:14 PM EDT
      SW Missouri Mule

      On the day Abby Johnson claims to have assisted with an ultrasound abortion, there were 15 total abortions performed. Of those 15, none used ultrasound because none were over 10 weeks. That clinic only does abortions 2 days per month.

      • 6 votes
      #6.6 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
      redsfan

      *sigh* All of this was explained ad nauseum to Bubba last year on another seed...but just like most right-wingers, Bubba refuses to listen to facts or acknowledge when he is wrong.

      Here's the seed where all of this was explained and discussed, facts were sourced, it's done...

      Comment 3.16 - ...if 3% of PP's services are abortions and 97% are other womens' services, then the 30% of their funding that comes from the federal government is not needed to pay for the 3% of their services.

      Republicans Use Abortion to Try to Derail Health Reform

      • 6 votes
      #6.7 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:25 PM EDT
      Shannoscubie

      That is correct, but I'm afraid the money all goes into one pot. The federal government does not audit them or enforce Hyde. Perhaps independent auditors could do the public a better service.

      If the federal government doesn't ever audit PP or enforce Hyde or employ an independent auditor to do those things then all of us taxpayers are in way worse shape than we we ever imagined and abortion is the least of it as far as how much money the public is spending.

      • 6 votes
      #6.8 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:35 PM EDT
      redsfan

      Of course Planned Parenthood is audited....every entity that receives federal funds is required by law to obtain an annual audit from an independent auditor and must submit it to the federal granting agency or their funds are cut off.

      In fact, here's the link to one of the 2009 Planned Parenthood Annual Reports which states...

      A copy of the complete certified public accounting audit
      report will be available by June 30, 2010 from Planned
      Parenthood. To receive a copy, contact Karl Eastlund, COO,
      at 866-904-7721 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 866-904-7721 end_of_the_skype_highlighting or at karl.eastlund@ppgwni.org with your
      name and mailing address.

      • 7 votes
      #6.9 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:41 PM EDT
      Lola-984242

      Bubba's ignorance is astounding, he tows the anti-choice propaganda and lies even when proven wrong. Nor does he acknowledge the fact that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions annually than any other organization.

      • 7 votes
      #6.10 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:42 PM EDT
      redsfan

      And here's the national organization's annual report for 2008 with this information...

      Audited financial statements are available upon request from
      the Office of the Attorney General, Department of Law, Charities
      Bureau, 120 Broadway, New York, NY 10271.

      • 6 votes
      #6.11 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:48 PM EDT
      VerbalBarb

      Bubba's ignorance is astounding,

      It isn't ignorance, Lola. It's deliberate and aggressive adherence to brainwashing.

      • 8 votes
      #6.12 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:49 PM EDT
      Vooda

      It's deliberate and aggressive adherence to brainwashing

      See the anti-choice movement is the American Taliban Party!

      Bubba is so ridiculously wrong with every one of his comments it's not even worth responding to his obvious ignorance.

      • 7 votes
      #6.13 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
      SW Missouri Mule

      If all of this has been explained and proved to Bubba and he still wants to argue, I say we stop amusing him.

      • 5 votes
      #6.14 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:10 PM EDT
      Bubba-939441

      "Nor does he acknowledge the fact that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions annually than any other organization."

      Who is the largest provider of abortions in the US? Do you dispute this? There are other sources and they all say the same thing. If they prevent abortions they don't make money. Bubba to government: please don't send them my tax money. Let's cut this expenditure and balance the budget.

      http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ppprov.html

        #6.15 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:18 PM EDT
        Bubba-939441

        Here is a list of names and addresses of all the abortion clinics in the US. You will see that Planned Parenthood is the nation's largest provider of abortions. And you say they prevent more abortions than any other organization?? Lola, liberals have brainwashed you.

        http://www.lifedynamics.com/deathcamps/deathcamps.cfm

          #6.16 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:36 PM EDT
          Lola-984242

          Lola, liberals have brainwashed you.

          Hardly. Liberals don't have the market on women's rights. All political parties support abortion rights, not everyone in those parties, but every party. Planned Parenthood is also the largest distributor of free or low cost birth control, not just abortion services. I've gone to plenty of clinics here in the DFW area with friends and relatives for abortion services that were not Planned Parenthood clinics. Yet I, myself, have used Planned Parenthood for their well women services when I did not have health insurance.

          Sorry Bubba I don't take your anti-choice websites as fact they spew lies and misinformation, don't waste your time. Your story about Abby Johnson has already been debunked.

          • 6 votes
          #6.17 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:45 PM EDT
          Bubba-939441

          Lola, but you do agree that Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions in the country?

            #6.18 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:47 PM EDT
            Lola-984242

            Bubba-939441, Do you agree that Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions than any other organization in this country?

            • 6 votes
            #6.19 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 8:51 PM EDT
            Shannoscubie

            Lola, but you do agree that Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions in the country?

            Do you have even the smallest inkling of WHY that might be?

            • 6 votes
            #6.20 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:04 PM EDT
            Vooda

            Planned Parenthood may be the largest abortion provider in the country because there are so many of them..........so what is your point?

            As Lola has tried and tried to tell you that is certainly not their mission or goal. They provide women of all nationalities and ages gynecological care at affordable rates that many may not be able to afford otherwise.

            As a human being are you grateful that there are clinics available to the women of this country that provides education, prevention, treatment, and abortion services in a safe and clean environment? If your answer is no you may need to delve deeply into your conscience.

            As far as your tax dollars just think of it this way....your taxes are going towards something else the government supports that you may agree with. I will imagine mine are going to help women. I don't always agree with where my tax money goes.....that is life in the U.S. grow up and man up!

            • 6 votes
            #6.21 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:09 PM EDT
            SW Missouri Mule

            Do you know that gynecologists perform abortions everyday? If you add them all together that's a lot of terminations. Way more than PP.

            • 6 votes
            #6.22 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:17 PM EDT
            VerbalBarb

            And you say they prevent more abortions than any other organization??

            Come on, Bubba, try a little common sense. The more unwanted pregnancies that are prevented, the fewer abortions there are. By providing counseling and contraceptives, PP prevents millions of unwanted pregnancies, thus prevents millions of abortions.

            • 6 votes
            #6.23 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:19 PM EDT
            Lola-984242

            Come on, Bubba, try a little common sense.

            VerbalBarb, that's why I Bubba's ignorance is astounding.

            • 5 votes
            #6.24 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:00 AM EDT
            Shannoscubie

            The more unwanted pregnancies that are prevented, the fewer abortions there are.

            Really. There's a LOT more money to be made from providing women of reproductive age with sexual health, contraceptive and obstetric services than abortions. Only one in three women age 15-45 will have an abortion but ALL women will at some point over that 30+ year span need pap smears, STD screening, birth control, pre-natal, maternity, post-natal, and/or adoption referrals, all of which Planned Parenthood provides.

            • 6 votes
            #6.25 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:03 AM EDT
            Auteur 1536

            Lola, liberals have brainwashed you.

            Bubba, the Right has brainwashed you.

            • 5 votes
            #6.26 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:04 AM EDT
            Bubba-939441

            "ALL women will at some point over that 30+ year span need pap smears, STD screening, birth control, pre-natal, maternity, post-natal, and/or adoption referrals, all of which Planned Parenthood provides."

            You mean our tax money provides these services.

              #6.27 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
              Shannoscubie

              You mean our tax money provides these services.

              That and donations. What's your point?

              • 4 votes
              #6.28 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT
              Lola-984242

              Evidently Bubba's against low income women receiving low cost pap smears, STD screening, birth control, pre-natal, maternity, post-natal, and/or adoption referrals. Typical, yet he receives health care on my public dime.

              • 3 votes
              #6.29 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:03 PM EDT
              Shannoscubie

              he receives health care on my public dime.

              Really? He said that at some point? Wow.

              • 3 votes
              #6.30 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:08 PM EDT
              Lola-984242

              No, it wasn't here it was another seed some time ago when HCR was being debated, so I've had this type of debate with Bubba before. He gets free health care along with his wife and children at the county hospital in the DFW area and believes "he" pays for it through his property taxes on his house trailer, therefore having a right to free health care. My husband and I also pay property taxes, however, we do not receive free health care at the county hospital, we pay $7200 annually for insurance coverage which is just a little more than the amount of property tax we also pay annually, so basically we pay for Bubba and his family's heath care yet have to also pay for ours in addition his.

              • 4 votes
              #6.31 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:17 PM EDT
              Shannoscubie

              so basically we pay for Bubba and his family's heath care yet have to also pay for ours in addition his.

              That's why we weak, hairless monkeys band together as a society instead of trying to survive on our own.

              • 4 votes
              #6.32 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:33 PM EDT
              Bubba-939441

              Actually I pay for the healthcare of illegal citizens by paying county taxes on my trailer. The last time I went there for treatments they wanted me to pay. They are now asking me for verification of employment before they will treat me. They furthur informed me that if I had a Hispanic surname they are not allowed to ask those questions and Hispanics get the same treatments free of charge without asking for any verification papers. In essence I am paying for illegal citizen"s health care with my county taxes, not my health care. Lola, you got it all wrong. Parkland won't give me free care anymore. The free care is reserved for illegal citizens. Meanwhile the taxes on my trailer are up to 3K per year. I thought Barak's affordable healthcare for all meant American citizens without hispanic surnames as well as all US citizens. I was wrong.

                #6.33 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:16 PM EDT
                redsfan

                They furthur informed me that if I had a Hispanic surname they are not allowed to ask those questions

                What an absolute whopper! How can you stand just making things up constantly?

                • 4 votes
                #6.34 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 3:53 PM EDT
                Bubba-939441

                reds, they can't ask hispanics for their documentation in the public schools OR county hospitals. They can ask citizens for employment verification. Didn't Obama promise affordable health care for all, even American citizens?

                  #6.35 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
                  Shannoscubie

                  illegal citizens

                  No such thing.

                  • 4 votes
                  #6.36 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:13 PM EDT
                  SW Missouri Mule

                  Obama didn't say anything about discriminating against citizens in the Insurance reform act either. That was already in the constitution. Try again.

                  • 3 votes
                  #6.37 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:41 PM EDT
                  Bubba-939441

                  Only citizens are required to purchase insurance. The government is discriminating against legal citizens. Illegals get free health care and education. Legal tax paying citizens are denied the same benefits. That's discrimination and it's unconstitutional. Please repeal this bill.

                    #6.38 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:23 AM EDT
                    redsfan

                    Illegals do not get free health care and education....another talking point lie.

                    • 3 votes
                    #6.39 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:58 AM EDT
                    tom sevigny

                    illegal citizens is an oxymoron

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.40 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 9:13 AM EDT
                    Bubba-939441

                    "Illegals do not get free health care and education"

                    Their health care is paid at the county hospital and their education is free. They are not required to purchase health insurance. We cannot ask them for documentation. No such benefits for legal citizens.

                    • 1 vote
                    #6.41 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:01 AM EDT
                    SW Missouri Mule

                    They get emergency care only as everyone does. If it is not an emergency they are turned away. Bubba, you really need to go to the .gov websites to get educatedon this. You keep repeating the same thing about illegal citizens and Planned Parenthood makes billions off abortions and all sorts of imaginary nonsense. If you are not on Newsvine to get smarter, then just why are you here? Repetition of falsehoods do not make them true.

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.42 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:43 PM EDT
                    Bubba-939441

                    "Planned Parenthood makes billions off abortions and all sorts of imaginary nonsense."

                    If it is nonsense, then PP financial statements are nonsense.

                    http://www.nrlc.org/news/2009/NRL05/PPAnnualReport.html

                      #6.43 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:21 PM EDT
                      VerbalBarb

                      "Planned Parenthood makes billions off abortions and all sorts of imaginary nonsense."

                      If it is nonsense, then PP financial statements are nonsense.

                      Utter poppycock - information bent and twisted by liars at an anti-choice site.

                      If you want to look at PP's financial statements, why not go directly to their annual report?

                      The total revenue (2007-2008) was $1,038.1B.

                      Only $374.7Million was from all health center revenue. Considering that the health centers cover birth control services, HIV testing, STD testing and treatment, pregnancy testing, paps, men's and women's health care and general health care.

                      So, saying that PP gets billions from abortions is a lie.

                      • 3 votes
                      #6.44 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:40 PM EDT
                      Lola-984242

                      Bubba-939441,

                      The National Right to Life website? Are you kidding me Bubba? No wonder you post such lies. You have absolutely no idea what your are talking about. You are receiving your information from groups that spread lies to fit their agenda, which is taking away women's rights. If abortion is wrong and the anti-choice movement is right in saying abortion is wrong, why do anti-choice advocates and websites have to spread false information and lie??? I truly want to know.

                      • 3 votes
                      #6.45 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
                      Auteur 1536

                      Pretty soon Bubba will be posting links to sites that advocate taking away the women's right to refuse sex with men - including her husband - and make it a crime to report rape and molestation and sexual harassment.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.46 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
                      Bubba-939441

                      "The total revenue (2007-2008) was $1,038.1B."

                      By golly one of you can read an income statement and the numbers match Right to Life's!! That's public information Lola, I'm not making anything up. I rest my case. It's a billion dollar business!!

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.47 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:02 PM EDT
                      Lola-984242

                      LOL!!! Read my lips "THAT INCOME IS NOT INCOME FOR ABORTIONS ONLY BUBBA!!!!" So again you have no idea what the he!! you're talking about and The National Right to Life website is misleading you on purpuse. What part of "THEY LIE" do you not understand?

                      I rest my case. It's a billion dollar business!!

                      Just because you rest your case Bubba it certainly doesn't mean what you post is the truth. LOL!

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.48 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:15 PM EDT
                      VerbalBarb

                      By golly one of you can read an income statement and the numbers match Right to Life's!!

                      The total revenue includes government funding and contributions, not just income from the health center services.

                      You can see very well that the health center income is only $347.7 Million, and only a percentage of that has anything to do with abortion services.

                      Saying that PP's abortion services represent "a billion dollar business" is a lie.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.49 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:16 PM EDT
                      Lola-984242

                      You can see very well that the health center income is only $347.7 Million, and only a percentage of that has anything to do with abortion services.

                      By golly Bubba-939441 did you get that? I re-posted it so you could read it again, maybe it's get through your thick skull this time.

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.50 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:20 PM EDT
                      Bubba-939441

                      Planned Parenthood is a billion dollar business. Barb, at least you can read an income statement. Lola thought I was making those numbers up!! Right to Life did NOT post a bogus statement. Lola, why do you think they are lying about the numbers?? It's against the law to post a bogus financial statement. Right to Life is a credible organization.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.51 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:22 PM EDT
                      VerbalBarb

                      Right to Life did NOT post a bogus statement. Lola, why do you think they are lying about the numbers??

                      Why is the right to life organization lying about the numbers? Because, they're liars, that's why. If they told the truth, people would see that only a small portion (3%) of PP's revenue comes from abortion services.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.52 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:29 PM EDT
                      Bubba-939441

                      Is this a lie too? You can check it against PP's statement of income.

                      "PPFA took in over $1 billion in revenues from all sources in the fiscal year running July 1, 2007 to June 30, 2008. Over a third, nearly $350 million, came in the form of “Government Grants and Contracts”—your tax dollars and mine."

                      http://www.nrlc.org/news/2009/NRL05/PPAnnualReport.html

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.53 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:38 PM EDT
                      VerbalBarb

                      Bubba, I put in a link directly to PP's annual report. No need to go through the lying anti-choice website to see it.

                      Over a third, nearly $350 million, came in the form of “Government Grants and Contracts”—your tax dollars and mine."

                      $349.6Million is from government grants, but none of those funds can be used for abortion services.

                      So, the government funds go for non-abortion health services (paps, birth control, pregnancy testing, STD testing treatment and vaccines, HIV testing, men's health services, etc.).

                      • 2 votes
                      #6.54 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:47 PM EDT
                      Lola-984242

                      Planned Parenthood is a billion dollar business.

                      No it is not Bubba.

                      Right to Life did NOT post a bogus statement. Lola, why do you think they are lying about the numbers??

                      They are giving you numbers and stating that those numbers are for one thing and they're not!

                      It's against the law to post a bogus financial statement.

                      You're right, however it's not against the law for The National Right to Life organization to LIE about PPH financial statements.

                      the Right to Life is a credible organization.

                      Bull sh!t, it's an organization the lies to further their agenda.

                      Most of that article from The National Right to Life organization website that you continue to post for some reason, is hardly true and most of it is nothing but assumptions, like the bundling of services. Which is another thing anti-choice advocates, organizations, and websites do, they make assumptions and mislead, brainwashing persons gullible like yourself Bubba. Sorry buddy but you have been misled.

                      • 1 vote
                      #6.55 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 8:57 PM EDT
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                      Shannoscubie

                      I wonder how much it costs Planned Parenthood for security upgrades, vandalism repair and lost time due to threats and harassment per year.

                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#7 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:00 PM EDT
                      Lola-984242

                      Here's an excellent article;

                      From a woman doing her OB/GYN rotation at a local PPH clinic.

                      http://www.grahamazon.com/over/2007/10/planned-parenthood-aint-abortions/#pp

                      "In fact, it may sound ironic, but I’m pretty confident when I say this: No matter what your feelings are about the subject, there would be more abortions performed in this country if Planned Parenthood didn’t exist. Let me explain.

                      The patients I’ve seen have been, in general, young, healthy women, ages 12 to 26. They come in primarily for three things:

                      1. annual exams (pap smears, breast exams, etc.),
                      2. sexually-transmitted infection (STIs) diagnosis and treatment,
                      3. and birth control."
                      • 6 votes
                      Reply#8 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
                      kj031056-1

                      Great comments ladies, although I doubt it'll make any difference to bubba or johnslaw......hopefully others can come, check out the facts and learn something truthful about PP

                      By the way, bubba......my 40 year old sister uses planned parenthood for birthcontrol because she's never wanted to have any children. At her last exam/health screening they found she was in the beginning stage of cervical cancer. She is scheduled for surgery and a hysterectomy (not related) in October. So for more than 20 years PP has prevented her from needing an abortion.

                      • 7 votes
                      Reply#9 - Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:47 PM EDT
                      Tina-293371

                      People love to bash PP but does anyone remember what life was like before Margaret Sanger and PP? It wasn't as rosy as people like to portray.

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#10 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 11:04 AM EDT
                      Lola-984242

                      No it wasn't, it was horrible.

                      • 3 votes
                      #10.1 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 12:03 PM EDT
                      Tina-293371

                      Right. I 've heard from older women and read things that make me glad we live nowdays.

                      • 2 votes
                      #10.2 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 5:18 PM EDT
                      Lola-984242

                      Read Margaret Sanger's "Women and the New Race" and "The Pivot of Civilization", they're highly enlightening as to what it was like to be a woman, a poor woman, in the turn of the 20th century.

                      • 2 votes
                      #10.3 - Sun Sep 26, 2010 9:52 PM EDT
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                      anonymous-2422626

                      Get all the facts about the racist history and eugenic agenda of Planned Parenthood in the documentary- Maafa21, which shows their documents on the screen so no one need doubt . Be prepared to be offended because Maafa21 plays the racist quotes of Planned Parenthood supporters and board members - it is horrible !

                      View the trailer and get info on Maafa21 here http://www.maafa21.com

                        Reply#11 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:41 PM EDT
                        Auteur 1536

                        And who was the documentary filmed by?

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.1 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 3:44 PM EDT
                        Lola-984242

                        anonymous-2422626, Board members like Prescott Sheldon Bush, George H.W. Bush's father and George W. Bush's grandfather? He was also involved with the American Birth Control League that Margaret Sanger started, as early as 1942, and served as the treasurer of the first national capital campaign of Planned Parenthood in 1947? Does that mean both of these Presidents played a part in the countries continued racism and eugenic agenda? I mean if you are going to condemn Planned Parenthood of some of Margaret Sanger views you also have do condemn all who've ever had some sort of contact with the ABCL and PPH and/or eugenics. Are you ready to do that? Think carefully. You also have to take into consideration the motive behind Maafa21. Check it out;

                        http://www.ask.com/wiki/Maafa_21

                        "Maafa 21 is a documentary created by a pro-life company in Texas called Life Dynamics Incorporated about the history of African-Americans being affected by the eugenics movement."

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.2 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:34 PM EDT
                        SW Missouri Mule

                        All of the web sites I've seen about eugenics and birth control or Planned Parenthood are from anti-choice. You will not find one that is neutral or scientific. If Planned parenthood is trying to get rid of the Black population, then they must be doing a hell of a job, Brownie, because we have some great leaders, educators, justices, writers and, by golly, we even have a president who is black. Or did they just slip in the back door when we were not looking.

                        This campaign has been going on for decades in an effort to discredit PP and It has yet to work. Only the religious anti-choice are stupid enough to think that others are stupid enough to fall for the lies. I know how to read books and I know how to read history and I know how to read the Bible. This campaign is bull@!$%# and always has been.

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.3 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT
                        Lola-984242

                        Maafa 21 is complete and utter Bu!! Sh!t, which is nothing new from any anti-choice movement, group, advocate or corporation.

                        • 1 vote
                        #11.4 - Mon Sep 27, 2010 5:52 PM EDT
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